Episode 30 Inclusion It Up with Special Guest Facility Manager Papillon Recovery Centre Jay Faasen
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Episode 30: Inclusion It Up with Special Guest Jay Faasen - Facility Manager Papillon Recovery Centre
Sunday 05th April 2026 / 16th Shawwal 1447AH 14h00 - 15h00 (CAT)
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Episode 30: Inclusion It Up with Special Guest Jay Faasen - Facility Manager Papillon Recovery Centre
Sunday 05th April 2026 / 16th Shawwal 1447AH 14h00 - 15h00 (CAT)
Transcript
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To dear listeners, it's just past 200 p.m. right here in South Africa and it's our favorite day of the week. Yul Aad.
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It's already the middle of Shawal. It's the 16th day of Shawal. 1447 Ah. And
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alhamdulillah it corresponds to Sunday the 5th of April 2026.
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I'm Zad Plachis and with me are my co-hosts Nabia and Issa Plachis.
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Welcome to Level Up where we listen, learn, and grow inshallah with Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala's guidance and we break down the week's news and talk
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about what really matters to young Muslims today.
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Our WhatsApp line is open. The number is 072-7861548.
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You can call in on 0185472 or DM us on social media. We @ i
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love.com. That's i ov zoom m. We're on Instagram, Facebook x, LinkedIn,
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YouTube, Tik Tok threads as well as upscrolled.
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Today in the program we are focusing on mental health. After the half hour we discuss World Autism Awareness Day and
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we will be chatting to Jay Fen the facilities manager at Papion Recovery Center about bipolar disorder. But first let's take a look at the week's news.
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Yes. So as usual it's been a busy week.
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you know, in this week that just passed on Monday the 30th of March was World Bipolar Day, which we will hear more about later on in the show, inshallah.
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But I just wanted to tell you some bits of information that I've read um about World Bipolar Day. Did you know that it
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coincided with the late Dutch painters's birthday? His name was Vincent Van Go or
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um maybe you pronounce it as Fang. I don't know how the correct spelling correct pronunciation is but I say Van Go.
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He was a 19th century Dutch painter renowned for his contributions to the postimpressionist art movement.
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So, if those of you who are not too familiar with the painters's work and life, his art has helped people better
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understand intense emotional experiences. And his letters and personal history suggest that he
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experienced powerful shifts between periods of intense creativity and deep sadness.
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And at that time in the 19th century when he was you know this famous painter it was not known during Ven's lifetime
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this term bipolar disorder he was actually only diagnosed with it after his death but yes after the half hour we
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will hear more about bipolar disorder the key symptoms the challenges how to support and so on from a professional
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point of view so you can see if you've seen any of these paintings, you can see um you know
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the differences in what he was painting and the expression that he had in each of the paintings. I mean there's the one
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where I can't remember but it's like a person screaming. Yes. He's holding his hands up. Yes.
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And Yeah. I I can I can actually picture that one.
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And then he's got like stuff like the starry night where it's very, you know, like so beautiful.
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Yeah. Very tranquil. And um you know so so you can you can actually see that expression and um
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through his art and I think that uh you know like it's sad that he was only
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diagnosed afterwards and I think there's even today it's not
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just him. I mean, now that we know that it's called bipolar disorder, um, you know, and there's treatments and what are the symptoms and stuff, but there's
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a lot of people that go undetected and it's because we're not educated by it.
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And I think Jay Fen will, like you said, um, you know, be able to to assist us
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with some of the the key information about bipolar disorder after the break, inshallah.
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Um, and then also I'm not sure was it him as well that only became famous or
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only sold his paintings after he passed away.
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That might actually be true for like most of the um creatives back in the many many centuries ago.
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Creatives of today as well as well. That is so true.
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I mean we go through the that on a daily. I mean people um journalists as well they they'll be remembered after
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they've passed away. I mean now there's obviously social media and you know we
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we have a little bit of more of a reach if you could say um because if you look at the the journalists there in Kaza as
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well um a lot of them have social media so people you know are following them they can see what they're doing. Um
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there's there are awards now for um photographic journalists as well and you
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know there is a little bit more but there are a lot of them a lot of us you know creatives journalists that are
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doing stuff and go unnoticed and you know only once the person's passed away
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then they say oh you know they did this or remember their work. Yeah. Yeah.
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And that's that that that that's the sad part about it.
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That is very sad. Another sad thing I want to mention that happened this week is we saw the rise of fuel, a massive
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rise of fuel on Wednesday, the 1st of April, the beginning of this month, which we we maybe thought was a fool, a
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joke, but unfortunately um you know, it it was actually supposed to have been increased by a much larger amount. Yeah.
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So, alhamdulillah, I think um you know when I think last week I mentioned it was going to rise by like five or six rand uh for petrol and diesel was
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looking at about 7 to 9 rand. M uh but alhamdulillah um you know we always complain about the
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government but the government stepped in and um stepped in temporarily because um they
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said that the finance minister Ino Gangwana said he'll um temporarily for this month of April reduce the tax imposed on fuel.
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um you know yeah well if if he didn't I mean there's a lot of people that it's a long weekend people are traveling and um you know the
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economy still needs to run people are still uh you know spending over this long weekend
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and people would just you know lots of people would say okay we're canceling our plans and that would be a total
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disaster. So basically their decision to reduce the fuel well reduce the increase
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not by too much though but reduce it temporarily and a little bit was basically so that they could get more
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people to spend. Is that what you're saying?
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Yeah. Well you see you need the flow. Um people just got paid now at the end of the month or um beginning maybe
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the beginning maybe and um there's money to be spent and if everyone's spending it on fuel they've got no money left to
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spend on anything else and um even though it's temporary temporary
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the um it's for the month of of April and hopefully inshallah things will change and it will reduce further in
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it will reduce further because the state of Hermus Iran has said that South Africa can pass through um and I think
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the South African government is working on other solutions we don't give them enough credit um you know we all like I
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say we always complaining and as long as there's growth and there's movement I think that's the most important thing we
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always looking at the negative and saying, "I mean, we've made it this thus far." Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. It's 32 years.
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Um, actually, I'm going to take your word for it cuz I'm not going to do a mental calculation right now.
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So, um, like a bipolar disorder, there's ups and downs. And us, we know we have mood swings as well. We have ups and downs.
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You mean our us as a South African country, people? And like I'm referring to the South African uh economy and our country, we have ups and downs.
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Okay, that's true.
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And um yeah, I think for 32 years, we're doing well. Alhamdulillah.
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Alhamdulillah. I actually saw something on Radio Islam International's um social media page. Um I'm not sure which one. I
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can't remember now, but um what did they say when the uh when there's increases
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in prices or something? Um, so it was something about when prices rise, how should a Muslim respond?
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Oh, okay. Do you have that information in front of you? Then you can read it.
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Um, yeah. When prices rise, how should a Muslim respond?
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Number one, avoid panic and hoarding.
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This applies when people exploit shortages or create artificial ones.
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A believer does not add to the crisis, he eases it.
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Number two, trust Allah, not the market.
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Our sustenance is not determined by fuel prices but by Allah.
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Number three, practice moderation. No waste. Use wisely.
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Cut unnecessary travel. Reduce consumption where possible.
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Number four, show compassion in business.
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Now is not the time to profit unfairly, but to transact with compassion.
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Number five, support one another. Hardship is eased through community.
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Check on others. Assist where you can. Share transport.
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Share resources. And number six, be patient with dignity.
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Indeed, Allah is with the patient.
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This is a verse from the Quran in second in the second surah surah bakar ayah of verse 153.
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Patience is not passive. It is principled restrained with hope.
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Alhamdulillah. I feel like I'm practicing patience right now. But um that's very interesting points.
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Alhamdulillah. And it's very good points to remember. Um sharing transport. I know before people used to always do
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these lift clubs and um I don't know if it's still happening to be honest. I'm I'm not so clued up on that. And um yes,
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now is not the time to profit off other people, you know, show support to one another. Very, very good points.
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Alhamdulillah. I've also got another thing I like to say. Um one scholar mentioned something beautiful.
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Every time you go to fill fuel, a person should make an intention. Oh
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Allah, I'm filling fuel to use the car to go to the masid, to use the car to
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take my children to Madrasa, to use the car to make for my parents or any other good intention.
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Inshallah through these intentions, you will receive the blessings baraka from Allah. Amen. even with your car and
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fuel. Such is the beauty of our dean. In every action
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a person makes any good intention, he will be rewarded and receive the blessings and mercy of Allah subhanahu
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wa ta'ala. Such importance is given to a person's intention.
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Alhamdulillah, that's also very nice and very interesting to know. So it actually shows that whatever we do especially as
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Muslims but every one of us whatever we do in whatever we do we need to make an intention. We need to have that
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intention. So yes you know we we're going to fill fuel but we shouldn't feel like oh no you know we're filling fuel
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and it's taking all our our money. We should feel like, you know, alhamdulillah, Allah has provided us with money to fill the fuel um to to be
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able to use the car and do our duties that we need to, you know, and um
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whenever we pay for something, we should say, "May Allah grant us baraka in whatever we're buying, inshallah." Amen.
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Yes. So I think um both of you have very good points. um the if we're doing stuff for the pleasure of Allah then there
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will be baraka and we just have to make that intention always that whatever we doing um it's it's not only just you
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know like dunya things as we say in terms of our fuel or our money you know that we have baraka in that or our food
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it's also in our time you know like um if we're saying we're doing it for the pleasure of Allah Allah will give us baraka in our time in
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whatever we're doing. And um going back to your uh do people still do lift clubs? I'm not 100% sure. I think there
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are still a few people um they can let us know, but I think a lot of people have now opted for e-haling services. So
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your Ubers and your Balls and that um people want to to go by themselves. They don't want to be on someone else's
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schedule. Um I know when we were at campus then people used to have to wake up at like 4:00 in the morning. Yes.
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To come from Stanger to the UK Zen campus and they had to stay there the
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whole day till like 5:00 and you know you'll see them nodding off in the Jamaat Khana because uh it's it's a long day.
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Yeah. No, I actually I do know there were quite a few people who had to come from um you know out of town out of
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Durban and uh they they were there from the morning and they even if they were done during the day they had to still
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wait for the rest of them who had maybe finished much later maybe around 5:00 or so 6 even to go back home.
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Yeah. So um yeah, I think a lot a lot has changed now, but alhamdulillah we did have a
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relief in the fuel and inshallah we'll have more relief in the coming months.
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Inshallah. Amen. Yes. Um I actually wanted to say something. I heard something about temporarily, you know,
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things being done and I wanted I also found out that you know the Musgrave library in Durban, you know, the one in
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Musgrave Center. Yes, I still have the library card. That little yellow laminated card.
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Oh, yes. I remember that. Listeners, do you still have your library card? The little yellow laminated card. I think I
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might have also um it's somewhere. I'm pretty sure I might have it still.
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I'm going to take a picture of it. I'm going to post it on social media so that people can see. And then I want other people to uh comment on it and show
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their library card as well. If May, maybe you still have a library card, maybe you still go to the library. I mean, there's still libraries.
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Good if you still go to the library. Alhamdulillah. No, it really is good.
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And especially for our children, it's very nice. We were looking for libraries um a few years ago, but there's actually
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nothing in our area that's close by that big Santon Library.
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Yeah, that's not very close, but it's quite nicely maintained and it's quite a nice uh library.
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Yes. and and may it always stay that way in Schola. I mean, did everyone also have um a little yellow laminated card
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or was it a different type of card? I'm actually digressing from what I wanted to say. Um so I know that you know the
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the Musgrave Library was in the Musgrave Center and I'm pretty sure yes, you have the card, but you probably only went there when you were really really young.
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Did you know that it's actually temporarily closed?
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No, I didn't. But wasn't it closed for a while?
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It was closed from last year. Since last year, August? No, before this, like a while ago.
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Um, that I wouldn't know because I don't live in Durban anymore. But I found out that it was temporarily closed since
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last year, August, due to a legal dispute. But now the books are being
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held hostage, you know, so to speak. you know, the the books and the audio assets that they have in the library, they're
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locked in the building, in the library, which is in the center, and it's been inaccessible.
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And of course, you know, community members are concerned over the loss of this essential educational facility.
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Sure. You see this is again why Islam is such a beautiful way of life is because
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there will come a time where information will be locked up like like this you know say held hostage and we have huath
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that have learned that have memorized the Quran alhamdulillah and now keep on people uh keep on learning and
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memorizing the Quran alhamdulillah so that we will never have to face a time where um we are without the knowledge
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from Allah subhanana wa ta'ala inshallah a mean so this is also you know a message to all our young ones to
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I mean you don't even have to be young you can start now from whatever age you are to also start and learn learn the
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Quran learn um every word of it you know learn the English meaning learn learn the translation of
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understand what you're reading and that way inshallah that knowledge will continue so that there will never come a
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time when you know we will be without Allah's knowledge amen
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on social media. That's I L O V E Z A C O M. Let's go for a break and when we get back we will hear from facilities
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manager at Papyan Recovery Center J Fen
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all about bipolar inshallah tutoring, mentoring, homeschool
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just tuned in we have been talking all about the latest news but right now we are going to chat to facilities manager
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at puppyan recovery center J fasten about bipolar disorder if you would like
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or you can call in on 011854722 or you can even DM us on.com that's l
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a m. Jay brings lived experience to his
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work at Papon. He is the liaison between clients, families, the treating team and
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puppyon. And his passion for client experience ensures that every client is
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given individual treatment. He managed a well-known sober house before starting at Papon and he strives to create a safe
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inclusive environment for healing, growth, and recovery.
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Good afternoon Jay and welcome to Level Up. I hope you are doing well on this Sunday afternoon.
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Hi Zad and thanks so much for having me on Level Up. I'm so glad I could be here. It is really a privilege.
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So Jay, um for our listeners who may not know what exactly is bipolar disorder, please could you explain to them?
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Bipolar disorder is a mental health condition that causes significant shifts in a person's mood and energy and ability to function. These shifts range
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from emotional highs known as mania or hypermania to deep lows or depressions.
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It's more than just feeling happy or sad. It can affect sleep, decision-m, relationships, and daily life. The important thing is to remember that bipolar disorder is a medical condition.
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It's not a character flaw or something someone can just snap out of. Um with the right support and treatment, people can live full and meaningful lives.
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It's good that you mentioned that it's a mania because I believe it was called manic depression before it was called bipolar disorder.
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So I know that um this week was a bipolar day, world bipolar day. Why is
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it important for us um to observe this day and what does it aim to achieve globally?
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World Bipolar Day is observed every year on the 30th of March to raise awareness, reduce stigma, and promote understanding of bipolar disorder. It's also a
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reminder that people living with this condition are not alone. Globally, it aims to encourage education, improve access to care, and foster compassion.
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The day also highlights the importance of early diagnosis and ongoing support, helping people live full, meaningful lives despite the condition.
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Interestingly enough, March 30th was Vincent Van Go Booster who he himself is believed to have lived with bipolar disorder.
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Sure. Yes. We want everybody to live a full and meaningful life. And I think the awareness for bipolar disorder is
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very important because there's lots of people that suffer from it and are unaware or um you know we have people
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that have bipolar disorder and they within our family and we're not even aware that they have it and um how best
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to to treat it. But how common is bipolar disorder particularly in South Africa? Okay, bipolar disorder affects millions of
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people, between 1 to 3% of the population globally. In South Africa, it's a little bit more difficult to pin it down due to underdiagnosis, but it's estimated that hundreds of thousands of people may be living with the condition.
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Like many mental health challenges, it often goes untreated because of stigma, lack of awareness, or limited access to healthare. So, it's likely more common than we realize. That means many people
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may be struggling silently. Increasing awareness and access to services is crucial to ensure people get the help they need. Yes, many people could be
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suffering in silence. But what are the key symptoms people should look out for in bipolar disorder?
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So the key symptoms for bipolar fall into two categories, manic episodes and depressive episodes. During manic episodes, someone might feel like they
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have high levels of energy. They may talk more than usual, be extremely happy. Often they feel they don't need much sleep and and engage in risky behaviors.
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During the depressive stages, they may feel deeply sad. Uh lose interest in activities that would normally interest them. Um struggle with fatigue, have difficult difficulty concentrating.
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These changes are typically very intense and can last for a few days or a few weeks and they this really interferes with daily life.
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Sure. We all go through a lot of mood swings, Jay. But what is the difference between a normal mood swing and bipolar
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disorder? Look, everyone experiences ups and downs and that's part of being human. But with bipolar disorder, the mood changes are much more extreme, much
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more intense, longerlasting, and this really interferes with daily life. And for example, a manic episode may lead someone to take serious risks or feel
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unusually invincible. While a depressive episode can make even simple tasks feel overwhelming. It's the intensity, the duration, and the impact that set
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bipolar disorder apart from normal mood swings. Um and again it's important to remember that it's not just a reaction to life's events. It's actually a clinical condition.
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That's true. It is a clinical condition and goes undetected for quite some time um in a lot of patients. At what age
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does it usually develop and can it affect children or teens?
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So bipolar often develops late in adolescence or in early adulthood, usually between the ages of 15 and 30.
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However, it can and does occur earlier and children and teenagers can be affected. It may be harder to diagnose in younger people though because early
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signs are sometimes mistaken for typical teenage behaviors, which is why awareness and early assessment are so important because the sooner someone gets the right support, the better their
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long-term outcomes can be. Yes, Jay, with any disorder or disease, we always hope that it is uh detected at an early
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stage. But what are some of the challenges patients face when trying to access mental health care particularly here in South Africa?
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So sadly many people in South Africa face quite significant barriers including limited mental health care services in the public healthare system
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long waiting times shortage of chain professionals especially in rural areas and in the private sector costs can be really really inhibitive. On top of
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that, stigma and lack of awareness often prevent people from seeking help early, which makes these these challenges then highlight the urgent need for better mental health infrastructure and education.
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Talking about stigmas, Jay, what are some of the biggest misconceptions or stigmas around mental illness?
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Look, the biggest misconception of all in mental illness is that it's a sign of weakness or that something people can control if they just want to try harder.
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Another iss that individuals with issues like bipolar are unpredictable or dangerous. And this is simply not true.
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These stigmas can be incredibly harmful and they prevent people from seeking help and and isolates those who need the help the most. Mental illness is a
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health condition just like a physical illness such as asthma and diabetes and deserves the same level of understanding and care.
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Yes, it does deserve the same level of care. But how can families and communities better support someone struggling with their mental health?
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So I really feel that support starts with just listening but really listening without judgment. It's about creating a safe space where someone feels heard and
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understood. You know encouraging them to seek professional help uh being patient with them and also educating ourselves about mental health. All these things can make a massive difference. Even
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small little things like checking in or offering practical help or simply just being there can provide really meaningful support to someone who's struggling. Community awareness and
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compassion are also key to helping people feel less alone.
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That's all very good tips, Jay. Um, for our listeners and especially for ourselves like you said. Um, before you
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go, how do we get in touch with Papon Recovery Center or how do we get to learn more about the center?
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Papon Recovery Center has been around for about 15 years now and we pride ourselves on being pioneers in the mental healthcare revolution. As we say,
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there's many many ways to reach us. I mean, you can get us on the web at www.papon paponreoverycenter.co.za or you can call or WhatsApp our
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admissions department on 074-522-5478 or you can hit us up on the socials.
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Look for our pages on Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn. Thank you very much Jay for that valuable information
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and we wish you a wonderful Sunday afternoon further.
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That was very interesting. And for those of you who want to know um more and to visit the website, Papon is spelled P A
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P I L L O N. That's P A P I L L O N.
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Yes. So this week was also World Autism Day. being a more inclusive society. We
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realize that you know most people we we struggling with a lot of things all the time. We have been struggling with a lot
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of things for a long time and it's just only like in the recent years or in the most recent decades has become more
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known. So um yes so you know because Vincent Van Go the painter was diagnosed
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after his death. now um with bipolar disorder and only now we're getting to know you know about bipolar disorder and
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also now we're getting to know more about autism. So um every year on the 2nd of April World Autism Awareness Day
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is when the world comes together to raise awareness for people living with autism.
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Now raising awareness highlights real challenges and an urgent need for a greater for greater inclusion across
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society. So we know that you know most of the children maybe most of the people you know adults who have been
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undiagnosed grow children grow up to be adults who have been undiagnosed and have autism. So, autism, autism or
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autism spectrum disorder is a developmental condition that affects how individuals communicate,
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interact socially, and experience the world around them. It's called a spectrum because no two people experience it the same way.
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Some individuals may need significant support in their daily lives while others live independently,
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work and they thrive in their new communities.
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And what remains consistent though is the need for understanding, patience and acceptance.
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You know in South Africa awareness around autism has actually grown over the years. Alhamdulillah. But many
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families still face barriers when it comes to diagnos diagnosis and education and support because the access to
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specialized health care and early diagnosis remains limited particularly in rural and underresourced communities.
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There's long waiting lists, high cost for therapy, and a shortage of trained professionals that make it difficult for
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many children to receive the help that they need.
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And education is another major challenge. While major inclusive education is a national goal, many
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mainstream goal, many mainstream schools are not fully equipped to support learners with autism.
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So, um, special needs schools often have limited spaces, leaving families with few options. And in some communities,
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autism is still misinterpreted and misunderstood, leading to isolation for
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both individuals and families. So, World Autism Awareness Day, it serves as a
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reminder that awareness must evolve into acceptance.
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This means it's about recognizing neurodeiversity, understanding that differences in how
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people think, interact, and how they interact are part of human diversity.
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You know, it's not something to be fixed. It's supposed to be understood.
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And across South Africa there are there are organizations and advocates who are working tirelessly to change the you
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know the perceptions and to provide support. There's therapy centers uh parentled support groups. There's
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communities which are slowly building networks of care and inclusion. And social media has also played a powerful
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role in amplifying voices. you know, they allow individuals to share their experiences and challenge stereotypes
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also showing the different um types of people, you know, that the in the spectrum. But awareness is only the
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beginning. True progress lies in acceptance, accessibility, and inclusion.
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So when we are a society that embraces all our people regardless of how we think, how we learn, or how we
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communicate, we create a stronger and more compassionate community. So I'm
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going to tell you where to get help in South Africa.
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Families and individuals affected by autism are not alone.
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organization such as Autism South Africa and the South African Depression and
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Anxiety Group, Sedak offers helplines, support groups and valuable sources.
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resources, sources and helplines to contact.
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Number one, autism South Africa 011484 999.
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The number is again 01148499.
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provides education and support.
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Number two, South African Depression and Anxiety Group, Sedak
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080 567 567.
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The number is again 080 567
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567 that is the mental health support line.
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It offers counseling support groups and mental health resources nationwide.
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Number three, Childline South Africa 08 triple 05
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triple 5 number is again 08 triple05 triple 5.
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Child line supports children and families including those facing development or emotional challenges.
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And then number four there then there is regional autism helplines.
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I have a contact number for the Western Cape Autism Helpline.
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It is 021 557 3573.
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Number is again 021 557 357 3.
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Shukran, Isa and Nabiha for that valuable information about World Autism Awareness Day.
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And I think there is not enough awareness about autism. And like Nabia
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said that there's not a lot of schools, mainstream schools that are equipped uh to cope with autism. And I know this
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because I've had quite a few students um that have that are autistic.
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And um I can see that you know the the the schools that are available are very few and far between and they they're
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quite expensive and it's something that needs to be looked at especially in the uh school
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environment because there are quite a few kids that are uh diagnosed
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with autism and like Nabia said there's a lot of stigma attached to it and a lot of Kids go undiagnosed because they're
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afraid to, you know, show the symptoms or go for treatment or parents
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themselves don't want to, you know, admit that their kid is autistic.
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And it's it's sad because at the end of the day, um, like Jay Fen said, we want
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everyone to live a full and meaningful life. And if you don't get the right uh
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treatment and you don't get the right care and you don't get the right support, it becomes very difficult for
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the individual to live that full and meaningful life. And at the after grind academy, we do assist lots of kids who
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have mental disorders as well as learning disabilities with tutoring. But not only tutoring, um also concessions,
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facilitation. So those who need assistance during their cycle tests and their exams where they need a reader, a
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scribe, an invigilator, uh we do assist with that as well. Nabia and myself at the afterer grind academy.
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And if you want to contact us, you can you're welcome to email us at the afgacademy.com.
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That's afacademy. A c a d e m y at i l o v e z a do. O m.
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Alhamdulillah. So I've mentioned that um social media plays a huge help, you know, in awareness, raising awareness
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and I found this um account online on Instagram. It's called Muslim Youth
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Helpline. They have duas for mental well-being. you know, duas when you're feeling hopeless, when you're feeling
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anxious, stressed, tired, and so on. So, it's good to go check it out on Instagram. It's called Muslim Youth
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Helpline. And um read some of those duas, make a note of it, write them down, print them, um save them just so
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that you can constantly read them when you're feeling any of those emotions, inshallah. Once again, if you would like
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to join the conversation during the week, you can do so on our social media pages. It's @ i love.com. That's I L O V
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E Z A C O M. We are on Instagram, Facebook X, LinkedIn, YouTube, Tik Tok,
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as well as threads and upscrolled. And you are welcome to read the articles on our website iloza.com.
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You're also welcome to check out Radio Islam International Soundcloud for all the um level up um level up
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podcast that you have missed. Jaz to our dear listeners for joining us on this
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lovely Sunday afternoon. Please join us every Sunday right here on Radio Islam International from 2 to 300 p.m.
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Inshallah.
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From myself, Nabiha, from Isa, and from Zad. Enjoy your Sunday, and we wish you a wonderful week ahead. Inshallah.
