Episode 6 Innovate It Up with Special Guest Veer Gosai
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Episode 6: Innovate It Up with Special Guest Veer Gosai - Undergraduate student at Stellenbosch University and cybersecurity consultant at GroundUp
Sunday 12th October 2025 / 19th Rabi al Thani 1447AH 14h00 - 15h00 (CAT)
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Episode 6: Innovate It Up with Special Guest Veer Gosai - Undergraduate student at Stellenbosch University and cybersecurity consultant at GroundUp
Sunday 12th October 2025 / 19th Rabi al Thani 1447AH 14h00 - 15h00 (CAT)
Transcript
To dear listeners, it's uh almost 9 well 9 minutes past 2 on this 19th day of
Rabiani 14:47 ah which corresponds to Sunday the 12th of October 2025.
I'm Zad Plachies and with me are my co-hosts Nabia and Issa Platchis. And uh
we have Zad uh looking after us in the back there today um in the studio this
afternoon inshallah. So welcome to Level Up where we listen, learn and grow inshallah with Allah subhanahu wa
ta'ala's guidance and we break down the week's news and talk about what really matters to young Muslims. Today we are
coming to you live from the Radio Islam International studios in Johannesburg, South Africa. Our WhatsApp line is open.
The number is 0727861548 or you can call on 01854702.
Nabia, what do we have in store for the listeners today? What do we have in store? Well, today's
weather all around Johannesburg calls for us to be staying at home with a nice
cup of hot chocolate and listening to the radio. That's
that's what we have in store. But okay, on a serious note, today we are following a bit of tech of a tech theme,
right? We'll be chatting to one of male and guardians top 200 young South Africans for 2025, V Gasai, later in the
show. But first, Issa is going to share with us a few Muslim innovators of the
past. Yes, it's important to learn about the
amazing scientists and innovators from the golden age of Islam around the 8th
uh to fourth 14th centuries. Uh they invented and discovered so many
things we use every day. I did a bit of research and I found five
lesserk known Muslim innovators and their exciting contributions
to the ummah at large.
Number one, Fatima Ali, the founder of
the world's oldest university. When she lived, it was the 9th century, the 800s.
What she did? Fatima was a wealthy educated woman who loved learning.
Instead of just spending her money on herself, she used it to build a mosque
and a learning center in the city of Fez, Morocco.
The the cool part that learning center grew into
the University of Alarine
which is recognized as the oldest university in the world that still gives out
degrees today. She basically believed everyone should
have a place to learn and founded a school that has been open for almost
1,200 years.
Number two, Abin Fnas, the daring flying
man. When he lived, it was the 9th century, the 800s. what he did. Abas
Ibin Fernas was an inventor in engineer
and poet from Spain. He was obsessed with the idea of human flight.
The cool part, he built a flying machine, a glider out of wood and silk
covered with feathers.
In 875 AD, he jumped off a hill and actually flew
for a short time, making him a very early pioneer for aviation.
He realized he forgot to add a tail for landing like
a bird has which led to a crash.
But his experiment was a huge step for dreaming about flight.
Number three, did you know the first robot was made by a Muslim inventor more
than 800 years ago? His name was Alazari,
the father of robotics. When he lived, it was the 12th century.
the 1100s what he did. Aldazar was a brilliant
mechanical engineer from Mesopotamia
now part of Turkey. He wrote a famous book called the book of knowledge of
ingenious m mechanical devices.
The cool part, he invented over 50 machines, including amazing water
clocks. Wow. Like his famous elephant clock, water pumps, and even
some of the earliest versions of robots. His inventions were the first to use
important ideas like the crankshaft, which you can find in almost every
modern engine today, and automatic controls.
He's often called the father of modern engineering.
Number four, the Banu
Musa brothers, the masters of cool tricks. When they lived, it was the 9th century,
the 800s. What they did? These were three brothers, Muhammad, Ahmed, and
Hassan, who worked at the house of wisdom in Baghdad.
They were math and engineering geniuses.
Genius. Um, the cool part, they wrote a book
about 100 clever mechanical devices,
many of which were trick
devices that used hidden systems of pipes,
valves, and floats to work automatically.
They created things like a fountain that changed its shape every hour, a special
drawer that only let a little bit of
water out at a time like like a like a public
sink. Oh, okay. Like a tap. Yeah. and an automatic
musical instrument that used a mechanical cylinder like a very old
school music box. Number five, which is last but not
least, Bin Ali,
the heart and lung detective. When he lived, it was the 13th century,
the 1200s. What he did, Bin Alnafish was a doctor
from Damascus who studied the human body.
The cool part, he was the first person known to correctly
describe how blood moves between the heart and the lungs.
This is called pulmonary circularization.
Circulation. Circ. Okay. Before him, people had an
incorrect idea about how the blood system worked. His discovery was a huge
advancement that helped doctors understand the human body much better.
Sure. Alhamdulillah, those are amazing things. It's very interesting
and Issa for sharing that with us. What I want to know is uh what is your
Oh, Nabia, you wanted to say something. No, I just wanted to say that was absolutely amazing because so the first
one he told us was um Fatima and she uh discovered or innovate
invented the university. Is that what what I heard? She founded the first uh
the oldest university, the world's oldest university and yet and it's still used today. Yeah. Well, he said they still giving
out degrees. Do you know us degrees, Issa? No, it's degrees. It's it's a piece of paper that we got
that we don't use both of us unfortunately. You will get
to that in the qualification. So once you finish metric, then you go to university and
then you study something further. So then you get a specialize in something so that you can go out and
work like if you want to become a doctor or you want to become um maybe we should go more into that in one
of our education segments. Hey, and then the second one was the flying man. The daring flying man and he really sounded
like he was daring jumping off a hill.
That was quite quite exciting. And then number three, I think that one was interesting. Father of robotics. And
it was so funny because um we we recently learned about clocks
and then now we we learned the the father of the robotics who who created
who who who founded or who tried to make the first clock back then in the 800s
and then the fourth one he said was um were brothers those brothers and then they something
about hundred clever mechanical devices. So, and this fountain that changed its
shape every hour. That sounds very interesting. Well, even the the um the thing that you
said about the modern public sink. Yes. Yes. I mean, can you imagine that was 800
years ago and I always say they people have this technology already and they
they keep it from us because they want us to buy old technology. No, it's true because I mean even if you look at like
cars for example, they were using LED lights in brake lights for many years
and they could have used it in headlights and tail lights and everything and um they didn't want to
they didn't want to give us that technology. They gave us all H hallogens and zenons and everything else before
they gave us LEDs and this is exactly it. I mean in the 800s
800s. Exactly. And now more than a thousand. Hey. Yeah. Now more so we see on on social
media where people are showing us that they had these contraptions um many
years ago that they used to use and then they're like, "Oh, why don't we start using that now?" Or, "Oh, we're using
that o only now. It just came out in the early 2000, but they were using it in 19
something or 18 something or whatever it is." That was so funny because it's actually it hits home because the very recently we
took a trip to the Clark Museum and we saw all of these old um inventions or
you know devices or appliances that they used before and it actually looked much simpler you know
okay some of them were but much and you had to I mean the stove you had to do this and wake up at 4:00 to do to to
boil water or something like that It it teached people taught people discipline.
Yes, that's true. And then the last one, the heart and lung detective. Yes.
So, alhamdulillah. So, um so Isa um which one was your favorite?
So, um uh so I was going to say that I have one
only, but I actually have two. Okay. So, um,
uh, the the flying the daring flying man. Please don't try
that at and end listeners out there. Please don't try that at home. We do have airplanes nowadays.
Um, and the uh, robotics. Father of robotics. I thought as much
you'd like that one because when like I mentioned when when we were at that Claptop Museum recently, he actually
asked a very interesting question to the historian who was telling us about um
well basically about everything in in this museum and um what was your
question? You asked something about a clock. Oh um so I saw the
grandfather clock. Yeah. And I asked how it worked. Oh yes. Because you know nowadays we
have batteries or we have watches that have uh that you can charge that have batteries also.
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean I meant those physical batteries that you take out. Okay. We used to have the physical
batteries that you take out and you put in and then in a clock we take out physical batteries and then these
watches we charge the batteries. But back then he's trying to figure out now
where was those batteries. But you know the whole thing like
listening to that and that was just five people. I don't know if you remember the fictional characters called gummy bears,
right? No. And now think about it. They they lived in
this world. There was like a few of them, right? And um they used to find
their their ancestors, you know, like the people before them had built all these cool contraptions and whatever.
And we as Muslims don't even know how many Muslim inventors there were. That's
true. And how many different things that we use today that have been invented by
Muslims. Exactly. Um and that's why I'm saying it's like such an eye opener. It's like being in
that uh um that world of the gummy bears where they finding all these
contraptions and listening to to Issa explaining them and thinking now um
why aren't we taught these things at school or um you know like
why is it that that's five five people and I'm sure there's there were much more there were yeah you said there were many
but you were just going to choose five eh yeah because we'll be here the whole the whole day. Um, yeah. So, we learned that innovation
isn't new and that Muslims have always been inventors and dreamers and problem
solvers. Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. So, imagine what we could you we could do if we put our ideas together to help
others when uh to make inventions that truly matter for the future generations.
Can you imagine? Subhan Allah. Yeah. No. Um Yeah. But the
talking about inventions and and innovative stuff um we're going to obviously touch more on it um you know
during the show. Um we also got the top male and guardian
top 200 uh young South Africans that was just recently and there was a lot of the
um the nominees or people that uh won this
award. It's a very prestigious thing. Mhm. um they have been doing it for quite a few years now and there's a lot
of people that are innovative. You know, there's there's a lot of these awards now that also look for innovative ideas
or innovative businesses and people are looking for things that um are going to
make their lives easier or um make their lives better.
Mhm. Right. and coming up with these ideas. We actually after the break we're going
to be speaking to one of the gentlemen that actually came up with quite an um innovative idea. I'm not going to share
too much about it. Um but we need to celebrate these people more.
Mhm. Um because look how like Issa just told us about these five people and I
think they weren't celebrated, documented um enough for us to carry on that legacy
and if if it if it if we do that it's going to inspire future generations and
encourage them. Exactly. Because just like this top 200, I mean, you want to
be part of that that that top 200 and you were, but we'll touch on that later as well. No, but you see because it's something
that you want to work towards and and it gets that um those creative juices flowing and you know, you come up with
these ideas and everybody has it within them. It's just like you need to tap yourself or get someone
to tap you to to get that that that flowing. Um we all have those innovations in us. I
mean um something small and then we shouldn't actually dismiss it as something small
you know we should work on it. Not every invention is oh wow you know but I mean
you can work on it you can say that is great that's a good starting base and then work on that.
Yeah. Well Issa always has these that's what I'm saying. I'm just thinking he always makes these things
sometimes and with these papers and sometimes you you think now is that how how many oh wow did I say
but it was it it's all good and you must keep working on that keep inventing and I think that that's good we need to
encourage um the youth encourage our children first at home start at home
when we start or even encourage your your spouse I mean your spouse might have a great idea yes my spouse had an idea to create
something about 10 years ago but more after the break.
Yeah. So I think let's go for a break. After the break we're going to speak to V Go Kosai who is one of the top 200
young South Africans male and guardian top 200 young South Africans. Um yeah
and then I think we got a lot more to talk about about innovation about tech and what's happening in the news in
terms of tech. Yeah. Okay.
And welcome back to Level Up. If you've just tuned in, we have been talking all about Muslim innovators of the past. But
right now, we have our guest on the line, Via Casai, undergraduate student
at Stellenbos University at cyber security consultant
at ground up. Our WhatsApp line is open. The number is 0727861548
or you can call in on 0118547022.
if you have anything you would like to ask Vir. Ver Gasai is currently an undergraduate
student studying at Stellenbos University who in October 2024 made the
discovery of a mass grant fraud in the SAS SRD system. Additionally, he runs
one of South Africa's biggest education platforms called SA papers.
Yes. Uh good afternoon V and welcome to Level Up. Thank you for joining us this afternoon. How are you doing?
I'm good. And you? Awesome for having me on. I'm good, thanks. First of all, congratulations on being named one of
the top 200 young South Africans for 2025. How does it feel? Thank you very much. I think it it's
very very great, very humbling, but also also very motivating to be named one of
the the mail and guardian South Africa. Yes, it is. So the the uh the audit
editorial team um at the Mail and Guardian chose you as one of the top 200
young South Africans based on the work you did to expose the fraud at SASA. Uh
please tell us a little bit about it and how did um and what did you uncover?
Oh sure no problem. So actually around about 12 months ago, so literally last
year October, me and a friend Joel Cedrris were well we we we found out
that our own identities were stolen and being collect grants and so from here we
had computer experience and we we did a little investigation and
um as a result of that investigation we found out that it wasn't just an isolated incident um and we weren't the
only people which were affected by this type of fraud. And from there, the story
went viral after we published an article and ended up in parliament. And I think
that's the best way to summarize the story. Sure. That's but that's just that's scary to to find out that your identity
has been stolen. Uh but I mean it's it you turned it into a positive thing and
that's just amazing and we thank you for your efforts because I mean if you didn't expose this um I mean there'll be
thousands of people that wouldn't even know what was happening. Yeah, thank you very much. I mean it was
it was a scary time in life but I think the kind of response from the general
public and even parliament and the politicians was very positive and we were we were very much praised for for
this discovery. Yeah. I know you you should you should be praised because it's some it's something good and I think just um you
know blowing the whistle on something is very important um you know especially something so big like this and no we
really thank you but today we're talking about innovation in tech and I know that um besides that which you've spoken
about you also have quite an innovative platform called essay papers and something called essay tutors if I'm not
mistaken. Yes that's correct. So tell us a little bit about it. Yes. So that's that that's my kind of
day job sideline soft. So around the end of grade tech.
So this is about four years ago. I was very tired of not being able to access
educational in one centralized location. Um and that exam
for what is today papers and went home asked dad for a little bit of fun got
this website up and running and over the next two years built it up until we we
we headed pretty like last year we just closed off the year at around 6 billion
and this year we're on track to reach I think 15 million visits
national get exam in in December. Wow, that's amazing. And tell me um the
papers that you have are they uh caps IB is it what what grades are you covering?
So we cover all the grades from grade 12 uh as well as both caps and I um our
goal at the end of day is no exact missing. So everything available on our
our website and if it is we better fix that possible. Oh
that's incredible. And um it uh so you you it's published on on the website and
it's free for people to to download it or how does it is it subscription based or so we believe be completely free the
only way have a website tens of millions for that the resources
to be free. Um so the way we generate revenue is online news public um put
Google ads on to so we so we make money it obviously does become very cost to
host the platform but we're able to cover our staff staffing cost and by by
using ads. Oh okay. So you don't get businesses to advertise, you just have Google
advertising. I mean you could get like schools to advertise on if you want.
Looked at its hard to um from what
ads have seem to work. So we're just I think we've lost V there. I think
we'll call him back. Um but he's doing amazing work. Nia, that that does sound amazing. um
had a little bit of a technical difficulty there but yeah but it was very interesting from what I tried to hear. Um, you could hear
properly cuz you understand. I could. Yeah. Um, no, but he I mean it it's uh
amazing, you know, like Okay, I think he's back. He's back with us. V, how are you? Yes. Yes, I'm I'm good. Good to be back
again. Okay, thanks. I think we just lost you there. Um, it's it's the the weather. We blame the weather.
Oh, well, I'm I'm currently in in Western Cape, but it's pretty sunny here today. Oh, no. Oh, no. You shouldn't have said that.
you live on the on the radio here. Okay. But yeah, you were you were saying
about the platform we we you broke up a little bit. Um Oh, okay. So, um we we're completely
free based off our kind of experience across the years and what we've learned.
Um you know, going directly to schools oneonone and and trying to get them to advertise or going directly to companies
becomes a bit hard to manage. So we decided like through the course of the years that Google AdSense has worked the
best. It's never it's never failed us and so we just kept going with it. Okay. And uh tell me um how many papers
do you have online at the moment? Do you know? Um I think I think the last time I
checked the content delivery network it was about 120,000 documents. Sure. So
it's a lot of it's a lot of resources available on our site. Okay. And is it is it just end of year
exams or is it June and how how does it work? So what is it just exams or not or
tests as well? So it's it's all the nationally set papers. So it includes um it includes
June exams okay for grade 12 students. It also includes prelim exams which we've just concluded.
Okay. Um and then final exams available for all the years from grade 1 to 12. Okay.
And are there memos as well for them? Yeah, they all come with memos. Um, some some of them are like it's question
paper, addendum, and memo, but they all the all the resources necessary to write
the exam are on our site. Okay. So, what what inspired you to to
to do this? Um, I mean, I always had a drive to, you
know, help people or or use my skills, very limited skills at the time, five
years ago, to build something to make an impact and and change the world. And I
think from from that, that's that's what drove me to to build such a platform.
and and I mean it was a gamble at the end of the day, you know, going and and spending hours, hundreds of hours just
building and developing, not knowing if anyone's going to use it. But at the end of the day, the hard work eventually
paid off. Um, and I'm I'm really glad it did. Yeah, I'm sure you you you're proud of
of what you've done. We're proud of you because I mean, it's it's something like you said, you're helping others and um
you know, there's so many people that can benefit from it.
And yeah, how how do we how does people follow
your journey? Um or how do they get hold of essay papers? Um is there any website, social media that you want to
let us know about? Yes. So, so obviously if you want to keep up with my personal journey, I do a
lot of cool things. Um you can check me out on LinkedIn. I do have like a personal portfolio website. You can go
to viergasai.com. Um, and all my little projects are up there what I've been doing. But for
essay papers, we have a a wonderful Instagram page that you can follow or
you can just visit the site at essapers.co.za um to learn more.
Okay. You said you have quite a few projects. Can you just mention one or two of them before you leave?
Um, yeah, sure. No problem. So, typically one of the cool projects we're working on now at essay papers is
expanding our offerings. So, essay papers is traditionally a web uh it's a website, but we this year launched our
essay papers mobile app that you can download on the play store or app store. Um, but we're going further. So, coming
early next year, um, one of the projects our team's been hard at at working at is
a is a WhatsApp chatbot. So you can message a number and then it will you
can you can tell it what pass papers you are looking for and it will it will WhatsApp back the the documents you
requested and obviously with WhatsApp it it's once you receive the message the papers are there like forever it's
offline available so that's one of the huge huge things we've been working on at at the moment um and yeah I I I'm I'm
very I hope I hope it it it'll get up soon around next year and and help hundreds of thousands of children learn.
Sure. No. Well, that's exciting stuff and we wish you all the best um with
your studies and these future ventures. Thank you very much for joining us this afternoon, V. And
thanks for having Yeah. And have a wonderful day further. Cheers. Thank you very much.
Cheers. Okay. Bye. Wow, that was amazing. Um I like that
WhatsApp. It sounds very convenient. Yeah, we were talking about the people want stuff that's going to make their
lives easier. And I mean, we I remember we had I think it was called Pythagoras,
the book. Do you remember that book? The artist is nodding his head in the back. He remembers. It was a book that
had past papers in it. Oh, okay. And I don't even know if they they still
exist, but everyone is online now, so obviously that's the easiest thing. and
they've seen that there is a a market for it. They've put it on the web and
now they're going further because they know that people love to use apps and WhatsApp. So, they want to obviously,
you know, expand on that like you said and the fact that you can also have it offline as well.
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's brilliant. That is very interesting. And also it was a bit scary about that identity
stolen thing. Yeah. No, that that is quite scary because it happens on on a daily basis
and we don't know until we have to do something that involves that. I mean,
nobody goes and checks home affairs or whatever or, you know, checks all the banks to see somebody open a bank
account. No, no, do that. So, well done to Vasai for that. And yeah, top 200 Melon
Garden, top 200 young South Africans. Did you know that we have an alumni right here with us, Zad?
Yes, you are an alumni of the Mailing Garden top 200 young South Africans.
Yes, class of 2021. Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. Um, what category were you chosen in?
So, I was chosen in the arts, entertainment, film, and media category.
And I was actually interviewed, I can remember, on Radio Islam. Um, one of the
first interviews that I had was also on Radio Islam for in 2022. It was early 2022 or was it
I think it was at the end of 2021. Yes. And it was also for a platform that
you created well you Yeah. Mostly you created with very very very limited
resources. But that's why I say alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. Um it needs stuff like
this like the male and guardian um top 200 young South Africans. It needs to be celebrated. needs to be um given
awareness because there are a lot of young people like V
um that have these innovative ideas that are helping society and
they so busy building their platform they don't have time to give themselves publicity.
Yeah. Or you know like publicity. Yeah. And something like this it also it's
given him the drive like he said because he you know um to carry on to keep on
cuz he when he started the platform and I know I when I started our platform um I also thought are people going to use
it uh you know and you have that doubt because it's something new it's something that no
one's done before and you're pioneering basically through these um uncharted uh
territory. as they say. And um and like those five people, I'll bring
it back again. When they went when um the daring flying man
decided that he was going to jump thought he was crazy. They must like why would people want to
fly? Exactly. Because at that time you could walk and you could go by train or whatever it was. No, not train. Maybe horse and cart,
camel or whatever it was. But why would you want to fly? That makes no sense.
Yes, it so they they're almost like dreamers or you you got Well, we all
have it like you said, we all have it in us to be a bit of a dreamer, but we can also use that dream
and make it into a drive and motivate us. Yeah. And and you you know talking about
dreamers, I don't know if you remember Vuyo's big big dream. I actually met him
um not Vuyo, he's that's not his name. I can't remember his name at the moment, but he um actually from the advert of
Vuyo's a big big dreamer. He actually made a business. Mhm. That made hot dogs
and he he um copyrighted the name Vuyos. and he went to these markets and started making
but not just any hot dogs like any bur rolls. He was one of the first people to
because you know uh we usually when we cut the roll we cut it on the side right he cut it on the top and to
present it better and started putting other toppings and whatever it is for me that's like a sub if you cut it
on the top it's like a sub but it was something different and people liked it because of that.
Obviously, we never titled because it wasn't halal, but I'm trying to, you know, like just say that, you know, you
could take anything. He took a an advert on on TV and he made it into a business,
which was a very successful business. Okay. And it's small things, you know, like just trying different things or taking
that that leap um without a tail and feathers stuck onto you. Um yeah, but
talking about tech, we didn't get into this week's news. Okay. Um, and I just want to touch on it
because we have a university student that we just spoke spoke to and there was the headlines UNICE's AI
detector flag hundreds of students, right? 30% were false accusations.
So um I'm not sure if the listeners are familiar with this but if you have someone at university or you at
university there's a lot of AI tools that are being used to you know when we used to do um
say a project or um you know like something that we needed to hand in
um they would check you know our sources
and check if we bibliography yeah if we plagiarized Right now
everything is automated. So you basically upload your your document and there's um one of the tools is called
Turn It In. Right. I know they use it at Edufos. I'm not sure who else uses it. Um and it
basically comes back within seconds to say um 60% is plagiarized, 20% is AI,
whatever it is. And do you really think so? So that's the thing.
So, Unice's AI detector, I'm not sure the the name of it, but they have
flagged a lots of students that are studying through them to say that they
have plagiarized something and they haven't. And 30% were falsely accused of
of being of plagiarizing. And there's actually students that have said that
they were told to re-register a module because they failed the module because
they thought they plagiarized. Yeah. Oh gosh. So they're now asking students to you
know like verify and it's very difficult unless you documented the process
that you did to verify then you came up with it yourself. And it's not to say that it doesn't happen
that people are not using AI and whatever. I know I attended a um a
summit a few few years ago. It was a youth leadership program and they actually said that they asked
certain questions and the um delegates had to submit you know the answers and
like over 200 of the applicants had the exact same answer and they realized that they had used chat well that at that
time chat GPT cuz there's a lot of um you know like other AI tools now
um that they all had used chat GPT to answer the question because they had the exact exact same question. So, it's not to say
that it doesn't happen, but imagine being falsely accused.
That's very sad because imagine that you actually have it in you to write. And before all of this, I know a we
creatives and I know a lot of other creatives out there. We've we we grew up
in a time where we didn't have all of these tools. So, you know, we write from what we know. We create from what we
know. And to be told that that was um a
written or created by AI, that's a slap in the face. It is. And um but 6 months later, Unice
is still using the same tool. Well, okay. UCT has now um changed their
AI detection or rather I think they've they've removed it completely
um because they they admitted that the tool doesn't work. So why don't they just go back to the
old way where the lecturers used to actually read our papers and read each
paper and then from there realize which was plagiarized. It's such a it's such a I think this we have to obviously talk
about in in education such a catch22 situation because um nowadays I know
when when I was lecturing we had free time nowadays the lecturers don't even have
free time they backto back giving lectures so they don't have the time they need this
and it's not only in the education field it's in other fields as well if we look
at um HR for example They use it when you apply for jobs. So, you could
already be kicked out of a job before they've even met with you or seen your CV or whatever
because yeah, you've answered the wrong questions or they've scanned your CV and it doesn't give enough information.
speaking about that that's that's actually exactly what happened because you know when they say um you do you
have 3 years experience with this and you know sometimes you'll have more than 3 years experience and I think I
remember one situation where they actually um had it set only to 3 years
so if you even had you wrote down four years or 5 years you were kicked out already so
you you know you couldn't apply for that yeah but I think like I said let's Let's
discuss this further in the education part maybe next week or the following week.
Um yeah. Okay. So they still using these um AI tools
and UCT you say. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's very interesting. Um
we had a lovely show again today. Alhamdulillah speaking to having a nice discussion with Virgo Gai and um
and a lovely discussion with Isa with Issa learning all about the Muslim innovators of the past
Isa for a lovely to going through all of that research and just picking out five
people to tell us all about it. Alhamdulillah. And we we should let our listeners know to stay curious, keep
learning and never stop inventing because your ideas could change the world too.
Inshallah to z behind the scenes looking after us
and our dear listeners to joining us on this lovely Sunday afternoon. Join us every Sunday inshallah from 2 to
3:00 p.m. right here on Radio Islam International from myself Niha Zad and
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